What Happened in the Garden of Eden?

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 18

Satan was the agent of destruction that meted out the deliberate disobedience to the creation called human beings and the Law of the Almighty. There is no one who has ever hated mankind like Satan. It is all his desire and plan to bring us along into destruction just like he did mother Eve. Unfortunately, he is still using the same tactics as in the first sin of mankind. He even tried this on Christ during the 40 days temptation!! In life there are what is called victims and volunteers. Augustine, in the 3rd century introduced the doctrine of inborn sin. This doctrine made and if true makes man a victim. Man feels better if picked on, made the under dog, and likes playing the victim role!! Man is not a victim of anything but his own avarice, greed, and selfishness. Man makes himself a volunteer for destruction. Satan cunningly overcame all of Eve’s good and introduced to her what in all probability was what had caused him to sin and lead an untold number of angels to Tartarus. He can’t seem to get over his being cast out of the good graces of God but still thinks his way is best. He still is the arch-angel of the angels of the earth who follow the direction of its creator, Christ!! On what day of the creation story God created the Hadean World for Satan and the fallen angels (Matthew 25:41) is not known, but that it occurred BEFORE the fall of man, is sure!! Also, what is known is that the Hadean world was not made for mankind!! Was sin that which man was never to participate or did God alter His plan, change His focus determining who or whom God pre-determined would spend eternity in fellowship with Him? Just what is this great mystery?? If God changed His course during the creation of all things, we then have an entirely different story than man has understood or to put it another way, did God pre-determine more than one species to be eternal??
What likeness has man with angels? Each has the God-given blessing or curse of choice, each are spirit creatures, each are eternal, and each possess the God-given abilities to think!! There is among the species/beings called angels rank and position. No other beings that possess essence (personality, the ability to possess knowledge, acquired information, and the ability to alter their status with God (thought) exist in God’s creative plan other than man and angels. If we obey, we are by God, blessed; if we disobey, we are by God, dis-fellowshipped. Which have souls? Which was to be superior? When was the inherency of superiority made known to each being? Does not man STILL think angels are superior to man? Does not man see might more a desired trait than position? Is it not true that man has the superiority and angels the might/power which is closest to the might/nature called God? Was Christ an angel?? Did Christ possess the nature of angels (Hebrews 2:16) before He was God (John 1:1-the durative imperfect of was, Greek word een means to go back before anything creatable. In original Greek John 1:1 reads “Before there was a beginning, the Word was”) Was man or angels given “the image” of God as it was man or did angels this assume? Eternity is timelessness. But we as limited human beings can only think within the limited concepts of time and space. It is hard for us to imagine anything or anybody not bound by them. God, who is free of these boundaries, has to use human language to make us understand His thoughts, as far as that is possible.
Let us approach this another way. Which of God’s creative prowess can be lost? (Notice, I did not mention, souls) Can Christ? horses? sheep? whales? ants? EVER be lost or lose their station and ranking with God?? Do not all species, made by God, not possess rank and station? Is there not superiority within species among all creatures? Has there been any other species, kind, being made by God try to alter the rank and profile of its kind, other than man or angels? Which succeeded-NONE, which tried to alter that order-man or angels. Whose idea was this altering? Since Eve had to be “educated” to know what she did not have, what she lacked, that there was a “food” she was forbidden to eat that would make her “wise as God”, and what she was completely happy without knowing when known made her unhappy, who in the creation of God, which being, introduced these concepts to mother-Eve? Were they introduced to Adam? WHY?
Does not sin exist in the mind or heart before implemented? Was it not allowed in the Old Testament that man could think on sin, but not sin? Did not Christ change this important doctrine while on this earth? Could Christ have sinned?? Can or would God entice man to sin? James 1:13

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 17

One of the blessings God placed in man when He created man was a conscience. This conscience is given as a guard against wrong, which would include sin. Conscience in the Greek is the word suneidesis and it means “to be ones own witness.” When Cain was rebelling against the command of God to offer animal sacrifices instead of the fruit of the ground, God came to him and said: “Why are you wroth? And why is thy countenance fallen?” Cain showed his contempt for the commands of God taught him by his father Adam, and was wroth. Wroth is the Hebrew word charah and it means to burn, to glow with anger, to be jealous, grow indignant. Unlike some other Hebrew verbs it points to the fire or heat of the anger just after it has been ignited. You have seen this many times, we might say “his face flushed up.” Cain did NOT intend anybody to tell him what he could or could not do, not even God, but he knew better and his conscience was pricked! He knew the commands of his father but ignored them intending to have it his way. There was a flare up or a fire lit within him. His conscience was evidenced. Now, I want to ask you a question; did the conscience come from Adam? WHY? Did Eve “flare up” when she was being sweet talked into eating the forbidden fruit?
Scripture said she was “beguiled.” To be “beguiled” is to be told something so convincingly that you believe it. Many say Eve ate an apple. The Latin word for apple is malam while the Latin word malum means evil. Whatever the fruit, it was in plain violation of divine command. An unwarranted desire for forbidden knowledge prompted it. Eve HAD NO CONSCIENCE ABOUT THIS sin like Cain. WHY, the lie was what she had been schooled in over a period of time. She attended the WRONG church, Satan’s. So it was what she was use to hearing and believe and it made her more important and smarter than God!!. Eve committed the sin consciously and deliberately against God’s explicit and emphatic command. Who was watching the store? What was she doing being allowed to hang around Satan? Where was Adam?
God always speaks plainly and with no chance of misunderstanding. Satan tries to “go around the block” and hit on the “blind side.” Eve was overridden by something Eve desired more than obeying God!! Satan knew he could persuade Eve more easily than Adam. NOT THAT SHE WAS DUMB, she was just more gullible, she reacted to emotion instead of command. Satan did not attempt to explain why they would die or what kind of death he spake about. He merely affirmed it would be as he said—Satan did not need proof where God did!!. What did that mean for what God had said?? Somebody was lying but false teachers would never be judgmental!! “JUDGE NOT” They would never mentioned that God lied!! Like all preachers when correcting God, they are in their most holy clothing. Satan “implied” God was keeping something from Eve that was rightfully hers!! Satan IMPUGNED GOD’S MOTIVES!! Eve “bought” the assumption and the rest is history.
Instinct is found in all of humanity, but not detectable at birth. Instinct is not from the seed of Adam. Some have this stronger than others, but this resides in all of us. Did instinct come from Adam? Did Eve have that instinct? Did she KNOW she was doing wrong? She was beguiled! Tell a lie long enough and people will think it the truth!!
Conscience or instinct can be overridden and destroyed. People can get use to a lot of things they, at the start, are told by their “instincts” Some refer to this as the hidden man within, others call it a hunch; call it what you will ALL humanity have unlearned responses to certain stimuli that they have never been schooled to believe. The sad part of this “instinct” is that it can be trained to become dormant, put to sleep, or resisted enough to stop man from feeling “wrong” when he does certain things. Our consciences cannot then be trusted to “be our guide.” All this being true, where did we get this instinct? We DO NOT inherit sin NOR can we inherit instinct? IT CAME FROM CHRIST!! Cain knew he was wrong, his face “flushed up” but he continued to persist in doing what he wanted. This reminds me of people in denominationalism. They are taught by a member of the body of Christ what the truth states about baptism “for the remission of sins.” They see they have no choice but to “obey from the heart that form of doctrine” Romans 6:17 Yet they appeal to their “feelings” and then cry “let my conscience be my guide”!! THAT DID NOT COME FROM GOD nor their doctrine!!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 16

What has been overlooked is the “seed of the soul/spirit.” It too, came from its “kind.” It is too evident that all babies have the nature of their spiritual Father. Man has been confused about his importance and relationship to the Godhead by not realizing from whom all souls and spirits emanate. Paul, as he was directed by the Holy Spirit, tells us “Furthermore, we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” Hebrews 12:9 The response to the earthly fathers is from a Greek word enetrepometha, which means to “have regard or respect for temporary life” while the word used for reverence, when speaking of the heavenly Father, means to “be in subjection, subordination, to place in an orderly fashion under” which always produces life in His children. The idea of hupostasso originally showed a dependent position to superiors who possessed supreme rule, there was NO questioning allowed.
All too often we have failed to recognized the lovely, kind, and joyousness of the spirit of all newborn and infant children and never wondered WHY!. It is sad to see such a beautiful, lovely being (unless they are ill) taken over by an environment we in the most part control contrasted with that wondrous infant under the total auspices of their eternal Father. EVERYBODY LOVES AN INFANT, not many love you and I! That does not speak too well of the physical parentage, does it? The purity of their nature does not proceed from the physical father or mother for from them the soul and spirit do not proceed. By the time the world has had time to work them into what we teach them (our faults), this new creature many times becomes a “child of Hell” many times worse than its progenitors of the flesh!! Infants have the same in attitude and spirit as their spiritual Father, Christ! This is the reason our hearts bleed when small children are jerked away from the Body of Christ at a young age. They never often get that opportunity nor have the desire or reason to desire to overcome that intervention the physical father imposes of them. Physical fathers interfere with the fatherhood of the heavenly Father claiming to be “the head of their own homes” when in fact they are the joker that is leading their posterity to Hell and NO ONE can stop them!! How many times, if just being left alone, the sentence of eternity for their children would be altogether different!! But a selfish, interfering physical parent who cares nothing for the work of their spiritual Father, takes it upon himself to “run” his home when he can’t even “run” himself. Amen! Walls!!
How often hear we it said; “I will start bringing my children to church (bad way to express it, but we know what they mean) when they get old enough to behave.”! These kind of parents never consider the make-up of the child, nor ONE OF ITS Parents. These people think the restlessness and irreverence evidenced in their children is never addressed by Christ! They then think they are “trying to help God out” of a difficult dilemma by keeping the child or children away from the “environment” of their Heavenly Father until they get old enough to sit still in worship services. Do we not understand and recognize that the God who gave them life also provided for them in the worship services?? Do we think the “worship in spirit” has no part in training the spirits of our children? IF the worship is not “spiritual” denominational services would do, right?? Some of us have switched!!
Adam began in a spiritual climate in the Garden, but they did not understand the significance of those spiritual items in the Garden. They never considered the “spiritual” implications of the tree of life, the tree of knowledge of good and evil, never having to earn their bread by the sweat of their brow, their likeness to God in having dominion over ever living creature, transmutation, and fellowship with Christ. They were not old enough I guess (maybe they missed that Sunday evening!!). Man began in a spiritual climate and left the realm of innocence, it is the same story! What amazes me is that members of the Body are blinded to the spirituality of the God-designed worship services thinking the children (who are far more like Him than we are) get nothing out of them. YET they want to harp on bringing them to the Sunday School classes. Just about every child I know or have read about relate to Sunday School when it comes to learning the scriptures!!. I wonder which father knows best?? Don’t forget that when the gospel is preached and the Spirit of God has control of the message (not the messenger), the spirit of the child is not invited to leave the room, by God!!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 15

How would you and I have comprehended what Jesus told Nicodemus?  Nicodemus had been  raised thinking nothing was as important as the ancestry of Abraham.  All his waking hours  this had ever been before him.  He had known nothing  much of the Spirit world.  All his religious up-bringing  had done nothing to allow him to comprehend spiritual things.  When he came to Jesus that night he was stepping way out of the box just to come. If he were sent, we know not from whom; if he came of his own volition, we will consider he was more honest than the others with whom he had had daily fellowship, or if he just passed by where Jesus was (no doubt he thought he knew where Jesus was staying) and if he found Him, he had a prepared, opening speech, planned.  Jesus had to be considered the outsider, the enemy, perhaps even to Nicodemus, but Nicodemus, a worthy of Israel, had to at least find out if all he had heard about Christ was founded in truth.  Sometimes curiosity is an extremely forceful driving thing!!

As if Jesus interrupted his planned opening, Nicodemus must have been dumbfounded  by their discussion.  Thinking as a Jew, Nicodemus might have even known there was much to question in exactly WHO Jesus earthly father was.  You can be sure the stories about Joseph and Mary had had much play among the sophisticates of his day.  But Nicodemus came throwing himself before Jesus, giving Him the benefit of all the stories, all the guesses, and all the lies he had heard!  Question, did he know  or did he believe Jesus was the promised Messiah?

Nicodemus would have had to have been a religious historian to understand WHY Jesus, not John the baptist came working miracles.  They both taught the same gospel, yet only one of them worked miracles!  WHY?  Every time God created something new that had could not been comprehended by mankind, He began it with miracles-the creation-the Law of Moses-and now the Church of Christ!!  The creation the heavens and the earth were physical, the Law of Moses was physical, that was the only realm in which man thought!!   It seems to make sense that Jesus interrupted Nicodemus “warm up” speech out of respect, not indifference.  He was going to make it easy of Nicodemus and get to what Nicodemus really wanted-even though he did not know exactly what it was!!  What messed Nicodemus up worse was when you have your mind made up as to how the  answer must be to your own question- when the answer that is given is completely out of that realm and beyond your ability to consider, even to reason about, if you could have been comfortable in a conversation, you would be thrown at a loss.

You know how sometimes when you have been waiting for so long for someone, anyone to get the answer you have been preparing for so long, you jump in in front of them and give it, anyway?  It was not that Jesus was over anxious, it was that this was to be the greatest work God would ever perform for His greatest creation and the answer could not wait a second longer!!  Ever since Christ had created Adam and Eve, according to the “mystery of the ages” given Him by God, the Father, the reason for creating man had been in doubt.  Why man?  Putting an over-balanced spiritual make-up in a physical being just would not make sense to anyone who could have reasoned on God’s level!  2/3’s of the make-up of all human beings was spiritual, but they were put in a physical world.  Was God going to come down to this physical place and dwell among man or was physical man one day change in a fashion not understood but alluded and have man to come to a place where this same human specimen could live with God?  What did not help was that God had created spiritual servants, called angels, for this physical creation!  Also, these spiritual servants were created BEFORE they whom they would serve!!  Again, you must question, why man?  Then, God put this physical man and woman in a physical Garden where everything in the garden was what would serve the pleasure and appetites of spiritual beings, not physical!  God put in the Garden a “tree of life” when He had never intended for man to live eternally in this human clay.  He put in another tree that showed choice before man ever HAD such a thing given him by God.  Finally, God had introduced Adam and Eve to plants and animals who had  metamorphosis as a pattern.  Did Adam and Eve understand metamorphosis?  Probably no more than they understood why the “tree of life” or the “tree of knowledge of good and evil” were there, but then again, all these things were there whether they understood them or not, were they not?!!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 14

If the “original” sin was committed by Adam and all who came after him “inherited” that sin, as all denominationalist believe, how could one be BORN AGAIN?  The Greek for these words are very revealing, they are anothen gennao.   Anothen (again) is an adverb of place or time, the word is broken up into two parts (ano)-above, and (-then), denoting from the beginning, anew, as before (Galatians 4:9. John 3:7).  It is used in  John 3:31-”from above”.  Again in John 19:11; James 1:17. and James 3:15-17.  In the conversation with Nicodemus it tells “WHEN” AND WHERE A PERSON AGAIN BORN!!.  WHY OR HOW would one be “born again” when God had already predetermined their destiny, it would be useless!!  In 1 John 3:9; 2:29; 4:7; and 5:1,4,18. John is referring to this type birth!  This birth is FROM GOD, not from man; it came from above, not from a physical man on the earth; and was NOW being mentioned, not offered, to Nicodemus, for as yet no sacrifice had been offered to allow this mighty work, not even the baptism Jesus offered though His own disciples! John 4:1-2

Nicodemus was a now a Jew in shock.  Like Job, he began to defy, deny, and declare impossible what Christ was revealing.  THIS JUST COULD NOT BE!!  Being a ruler of the most religious people on the earth, birth records to them had been the most precious possession!  They guarded their ancestry with their life.  The Jews determined their situation and status by their being able to trace their birth ancestry back to Abraham.  There was a group among them who had positive proof of their ancestry and were called the PHARISEES OF THE PHARISEES.   In the return from Babylon, every Jew checked, traced, corroborated, their ancestry.  This was the biggest movement of their day!!  To them and their religion, their birth was EVERYTHING.  Every Jewish male was added to the ancestral role when circumcised on the eighth day.  They forfeited their land possession if their ancestry was not in check.  To be told one had to be “born again” put Nicodemus head in a spin, his faith in doubt, and his precious land, promised him by God to Abraham, at risk.  Immediately, Nicodemus was beside himself.

From whence was the baptism of John, the Baptist?  Jesus commandingly informed Nicodemus that this new type of birth was a prerequisite to “entering the kingdom of Heaven”!!  This was even MORE disturbing to him.  Had not John’s baptism been offered to all who wished to enter that Kingdom?  Assume Nicodemus had already been baptized of John the Baptist and see where this would put Nicodemus!!  You mean John’s baptism WOULD NOT put you into the Kingdom of Heaven??  WHAT GOOD WAS JOHN’S BAPTISM?  If the baptism “from above” put you somewhere John’s baptism could not put you, what was John doing??  Baptist baptism today, claims this doctrine.  They teach their baptism WILL NOT AND DOES NOT PUT YOU IN THE KINGDOM, you are sure you saved BEFORE you are baptized and have to testify of your salvation.  Your testimony is then voted on and if accepted your baptism is arranged. You are already saved, they teach, and their baptism only puts you in the Baptist Church, definitely not the Kingdom of Heaven!!   Some of our brethren want Baptist baptism to be treated as equal to the baptism of Christ for the remission of sin!! Acts 2:38   Something that would not put you into the Kingdom of God’s dear Son!! Colossians 1:13, THEN OR NOW will not put you in touch with the blood of Christ and is NOT God’s plan to save!!  You mean John’s baptism was not equal to the baptism “from above,” yet many of our brethren teach and transfer those baptized after their salvation experience (as they call it) in the Baptist denomination into the Body of Christ??  Have I missed the verse that teaches John’s baptism was “from above”?!!

The verb “be born again” is from the Greek word gennethe- to be begotten, to be born, used of men to describe a begetting.  Used allegorically, Galatians 4:24-26; of conception, Matthew 1:20; or the act of God in the birth of Jesus (Jesus was NOT said to be the son of God at His physical birth from the womb of Mary, He was called Son of God when resurrected from the grave) Acts 13:30-34; Hebrews 1:5; 5:5; Psalms 2:7  There are two Greek words for son, huios and teknon.  Huios is reserved for the Son of God.  It signifies relationship, not birth.  Christians are named tekna Theou always,  huios gives evidence of the dignity of one’s relationship, equality, and sameness.  Jesus was telling Nicodemus that there was a birth that was soon coming of which man had never been invited!!  The sacrifice offered “from the foundations of the world” was soon to be made.  It was TIME. Galatians  4:4

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 13

If a child who dies before birth, during birth, or after birth before it reaches accountability, it may die never having been baptized in any fashion, will that child be damned to eternal Hell?  Does that infant not share  the same essence (make-up, of the same kind, pattern) as God?  Does it not have a soul and spirit?  If it shares the essence of God, is it not the same in that essence as God?  If God is eternal, is not the soul and spirit of that newly born child, eternal?  When children die(d) who were never born, were born but never reached accountability (the power to choose with understanding of the consequence) where does their soul and spirit go after death?  Ecclesiastes 12:7 tells us the soul (synetoche- a part standing for the whole) “goes back to God who gave it.”   They CANNOT go to where those of us who have sinned would go-we have been separated from the fellowship of God by sinning, they have NEVER sinned. Isaiah 59:1-2  There must be another place prepared for the sinless dead to go.   It is a place called Paradise in the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:1-4   What is that place?  It is the place of the sinless soul and spirit awaiting the return of our glorious Lord who will resurrect our physical body changing that body (which is the seed of the new body)into a glorious body. 1 Corinthians 15:35-56  Paul writes by inspiration of the Holy Spirit: “For this cause I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.” Ephesians 3:14    Again: “That in the dispensation of the fulness times He might gather together in one all things in Christ both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him.” Ephesians 1:10   This “gathering together” was the “eternal purpose which He had in Christ Jesus our Lord.”Ephesians 3:11    So, when “the Lord added to the church daily, those that were being saved,”Acts 2:47,  we know to what He was adding they who were in the process of repenting and being baptized for the remission of sins.  This church that existed before time, married to Christ before time, existed!! and was first made known to man in the ceremony of Adam and Eve in the Garden.  Christ Himself having been married “from the foundations of the world,” we see in His ceremony shown in Adam and Eve. Telling of that great salvation that existed before time, God was prophesying that He would bring to us who exist during time that we would continue after time ceases to be!! Revelation 13:3;Acts 20:28;Ephesians 1:4; 5:24-32; Genesis 2:22-24; 2 Peter 1:11 (Time being defined as that period existing between two eternities, made by God so we who by faith obey Him, can prove our worthiness.)  This gives new credence to the statement made by Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane–”that they (the world-the church) may be one; as Thou Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world (church) may believe (aorist subjunctive case-a single incident-not continuous about which there is some doubt about the future).  It was NOT dependent on the world of mankind to believe, it was the church which MUST BELIEVE-<obey in a single defined action>-as the subjunctive case in the Greek language demands).  It is the church which is said to “believe and be baptized to be saved”) that Thou hast sent Me.” John 17:21   This place called Paradise in the third heaven was the “I go to prepare a place for you; where I go you cannot come” of John 14: 3.  Here also, is given another appellation-”in My Father’s house.”  Heaven will not be empty my friend; all the billions and billions of  innocents who were never known to be, never known, aborted, or died before they had ability to choose will make up the bulk of the population of that place!!

Adam had three sons we know by name-Cain, Abel, and Seth.  Cain killed Abel, but that was not his sin, Cain’s sin was the sin of will worship.  Abel died never having known sin (Jesus calls him “righteous Abel” in a covenant where one sin would have made this statement impossible).  Since Abel died without sin, his soul and spirit would have had to have gone to Paradise where God’s fellowship would continue. Isaiah 59:1-2    Something is wrong!!  Abel was a son of Adam, Abel would have had to have sin if all men inherit their sins from Adam!!  Adam’s soul and spirit did not go to Paradise in the third heaven, just like David could not join his son, David prophesying that Christ would die so we who are in His Church “the gates of Hades will not prevent” after death!! Matthew 16:18   IF infants who are never born have sin, how is this explained?? do they in the resurrection accrue a new body if an old body, they never possessed?   Would you please explain the “new birth” to me??

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 12

As you know by now, Adam is labeled as the “father of sin” label by the religions of our day, but God labeled Satan as that father!  It is just as possible for Satan to beget a human body, physically as it is possible for men to beget spirits and souls!  Does like not beget like?  Satan was the originator of sin and sin had already been committed in this world, justice had been administered, and the angels who had sinned were “cast down them down to Hell.” 2 Peter 2:4, before man got here.  IF all sin comes from the first father, as denominationalism teaches, all sinners would have to have inherited their sin from Satan and not Adam!!  “You are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do.  He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.  When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own; for he is a liar, and the father of it.” John 8:44  From reading this verse, would you not think that somebody confused Satan and Adam?

Can man who never participated in sin, be a sinner?  Can one become what they ARE NOT??  does one BECOME a Christian BEFORE their sins are washed away??  Do you not have to BECOME before you can BE??  Can one who had sin by inheritance, never having committed a sin by choice on his own, be held liable for what he did not do?  Does that principle work in ANY realm of reasoning??  Is God not a God of JUSTICE??  If God, whom were are told predestined all men, sent His Son to die for those already predestined to eternal life with Him, does CHRIST DEATH make sense to anybody??  Did God send His Son for loves sake?  Would you consider God very wise if He had sent Christ to die for those who were ALREADY eternally condemned because of His Will or ALREADY saved?  “Know unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:18   How can one be saved IF he could have never been lost, just predestined??  Is it not true that man has to OBEY a Spirit Being in order to either be lost or saved??  What did Jesus mean when He said; “I came to seek and save that which was lost??.” Luke 19:10   Does it make sense to you that God would send Christ as a sacrifice to save what had ALREADY been predetermined, SAVED?  Should we not change the word from saved to safe if man was predestined one or the other??   Answer:  If the innocent have no voice, vote, or choice being “born in sin,” Christ did not tell the truth when He said “I came to seek and save that which was lost,” He should have said He came to seek and find they who were predestined!! Question: Was  Christ, Himself, a liar, a sinner??  Was Christ a predestined sinner??  Can a Sinner die for a sinner?   What is it we are being asked to believe when we are told children are born sinners??  Is man that DUMB??   Answer:  Do you see how false doctrine can destroy “the” faith of God?

Another argument by the erudite is as follows.  Did creation get away from God, get out of His control, and God have to come up with a plan B, which was Christ as a sacrifice?  Did God foreknow His plan yet find Himself CHANGING that plan?  If God had not foreknown, was not strong enough to bring about His plan, did the Devil not really throw a wrench into God’s plan and cause God to REACT instead of ACT??  Was that the reason Christ came??  What does Romans 9:13 mean: “Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated.” Read the verse in context.   “For the children being not yet born neither having done any good or evil that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calls—Is there unrighteousness with God?  God forbid.” Romans 9:13-15  Was the statement made in Hebrews 12:17 about Esau, when he sought repentance “with tears, but found none,” a statement of the original predisposition of God??  Answer: God “looks on the inside” and knows with whom He shares a kindred spirit 1 Samuel 16:7 .Esau, unlike Jacob, did not have “the mind of Christ’!!  The same thing is expressed when God dealt with the Jew as a nation.  “All day long have I stretched forth My hand to a disobedient and a gainsaying people” God says of the Jew.  They had NOT the faith of their father Abraham.  God put up with Israel for 1500 years, divorced her, and married “those like unto Himself.” Ephesians 5:26-31; Genesis 2:19-24, the Church of Christ!!  “We are the children of God BY FAITH,” Galatians 3:26,  Hebrews 11:6-10; Galatians 4:21-31  “Oh the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!  How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!  For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been His counselor? (Romans 11:29-36), for of Him, and through Him, and to Him are all things: to whom be glory, forever.”

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 11

The only thing man “fathers” is that of which is his KIND.  Man cannot produce a soul and spirit.  This comes by cooperation from the Creator in respecting His law.  Man has TWO fathers, the father of spirits, Hebrews 12:9; Zechariah 12:1; Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the father of flesh, where we get our likeness of ancestry, DNA, and personality.  The soul sins AFTER it is incarnate, not before.  It is as impossible for the soul to sin in the womb as it is to sin after it is born until it becomes accountable!! “The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.” Psalms 58:3   The word for “go astray” is the Hebrew word ta.aw and means to reel or stray; also wander; vacillate; deceive; make to err.  None of this is possible without the CHOICE God gives man.

When discussing this with those who deny the existence of God they often offer their philosophy and rationality in propositions as: “Is man, put on the waves of a sea called life, unable to support or defend himself when he is even given NO chance,  fails to swim (obey God’s perfectly), judged as damned because he disobeys the Law of God (which he has already been predisposed to disobey), “misses the mark,” said to then serve a “just” God?  Who put man in such a position as to be totally depraved (unable to do any good which will reward him) when man can not control the sea, its waves, or shore on which he must, without ability to control, land?  Has that man, who has never heard of God or His mercy called grace, be damned to eternal Hell if he (even though he never has heard God’s message) obeys a false message of man and God, condemn him for obeying the WRONG commands?  If there is a God, is He where no intelligence exist?  Can a tree fall in a forest where no human life exist and the sound of that fall be heard?  What about foreknowledge—even if man is predestined as eternally saved or lost—what difference will it make since the “die has already been cast” and there is nothing one could do to change the verdict?  Is this God so narrow-minded as to believe that ALL men can understand and believe the same doctrine exactly alike and if not, condemn the one who trusted the “faith” of his parents and grandparents, be lost?

All forget that man was put on this planet by a “loving” God, not some Being bent on getting joy out of destroying most of what He made!!  The very first thing God is on record of doing is giving man His Law!  It was not a difficult Law, in fact, it was very simple: “do not eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil.”  What God also put in man was something not often mentioned-a conscience, soul.  Every human being has in him an instinct-conscience-desire to be moral, unchallenged until he can choose.  This “law of the conscience” later called a “natural” law was guide to every man.  “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the Law, these, having not the Law, are a Law unto themselves.” Romans 2:14  Nine of the ten commandments given by Moses from Mt. Sinai were the Laws all mankind had lived by ever since Adam.   It is not “natural” for a child to steal, lie, kill, hate, or seek to destroy.  They have to LEARN how to do these things-”going astray as soon as they be born,” from their surroundings.  Instinct is in all other animals—NONE of them sin-why just man and angels?  The difference is our ability to CHOSE between what is right and what is wrong.  Eve was blind-sided, Adam was not, Adam KNEW he was choosing between God and Eve-he made the wrong choice!!  They will chide: “For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17  Yes, but what proves too much proves too little-death reigned AS, WHEN, BECAUSE man CHOSE to sin, was not made, was not born with sin-just born with the propensity to sin, Adam had shown Satan our “Achilles Heel.”  If there were human beings who were never sinners the argument may reach another level, BUT THERE WERE!!  We can tell who never sinned by the trajectory of their souls at death—the safe went UP while the sinning soul went DOWN to the sides of the pit!!  In this “pit” were two compartments,  Paradise and Tartarus.  Paradise was for those who later were washed in the blood of Christ and united with they who had NEVER sinned, either because of the length of life, inability to chose, or NEVER disobeying the Law of God.  Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah were men who lived on this Earth, reached the age of accountability, yet NEVER disobeyed the Law under which they lived.  I did not put Christ in this  group, Christ was/is God and God cannot sin!!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 10

Adam was created in two parts-he was physically made from the “dust of the Earth” then Christ “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul.”  Many have questioned whether or not the soul is breathed afresh in every man from God or is it transmitted through our physical parentage, or can man who is physical produce that which is like God, spiritual?  If scientist every “clone” a duplication of the human body that survives something like birth, will it have a soul and spirit??

We know the body does nothing in and of itself without direction.  The great discourse in Romans 7:14-25 is without question the most revealing about man that inspiration has given us.  Does Paul tell us the body SINS, or can it sin when it has no soul or spirit?  When the soul and spirit move out in death, can the body that remains, SIN??  We know that the physical body will one day be replaced with a spiritual body for the faithful, 1 Corinthians 15, Romans 8:11.  If the soul is the only part of our anatomy that can sin, and the soul/spirit came from God, is sin God’s fault, not Adam’s??

I have been through classes that try to “make God look bad” for the purposes of teaching that there is no nature called God!!  I will give you some of their propositions so if you ever hear them, you will be ready to help them!!  God made man, it was an impossible association.   He put too much power (a soul and spirit) in clay.  The body and spirit are so diametrically opposed to each other that mankind was predestined to fail before he got started.  God predestinated certain “special ones” to be eternally lost and some to be eternally saved.  Would God be a just God if He only saved those He inflicted or caused to sin that He knew He was going to save??  Did God ever intend to save any of the rest of mankind who had to sin, not predestined to eternal life??  Has there ever been a man or woman that lived on this Earth that DID NOT SIN??  Is it true that God could be considered just yet He placed such a vast evil as eternal damnation on the soul of man that sins??  If God made a mistake of putting the soul, spirit, and body together and they just DO NOT go together is He just for condemning when the results are not his own making??

Here are some answers you might want to read.  What CAUSED man to sin, God or violation of a law given man by God??  Did God MAKE man violate His law or did He give man a thing called CHOICE??  Has God ever given any other thing He created CHOICE??  Oh, angels, you say?  Did angels sin?  Were they predestinated?  From whom did the angels who sinned inherit their sin?  I know—Adam, right!!  Who sinned first, angels or Adam?  How do you explain that if sin is inherited from the procreation of Adam, the angels who sinned before Adam sinned were in existence BEFORE Adam??

This thing called law, choice, and sin, when overlooked, makes it look a little bad on which being, God, the creator or Adam, the created?  Just because some do not like God’s rules does not give them the right to leave out ½ of the story!!  When God gave Adam the world to rule, a beautiful wife, and a simple command to obey that was greater than the “law of the conscience”-do you think it too much for God to demand man “obey that Law,” especially when the choice was made, man chose someone other than God??  By the fact Adam chose Eve instead of God, do you consider God unjust, mad, or a spoiled sport??  The death of Christ, who is equal to God in every way, justified God’s claim on the judgment of man.  Who made the choice?? man made the choice??  When the proper choice is made does it not also justify God in rewarding the obedient??   Romans 3:23-26   Did that professor “grade” your test?  How was your score??

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 9

Like begets like, this is the rule of inspiration as mentioned in the first chapter of Genesis.  Man was created by Christ both physically and spiritually.  He was separated into Adam and Eve because Adam was lonely.  God had commanded Adam to “multiply and replenish the Earth.”  This Adam did by only one woman, Eve.  She was his one wife and but one!  After man had sinned, Christ revealed to both Adam and Eve WHY procreation changed.  Because of the part Eve had in the sin of Adam, she was told that her child birth would produce pain: “Unto the woman God said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” Genesis 3:16   That was the ONLY change in procreation.  Many confuse the fact that mankind has two fathers in birth; the physical and spiritual.  Again, like produces like.  Our physical likeness comes from our physical fathers and mothers while our spiritual likeness comes from our spiritual Father, Christ. Hebrews 12:9   Again, like begets like.  Since our physical body comes from Adam (that all believe, I guess), our spiritual likeness comes from Christ.  This being true, how could Adam have passed something he had nothing to do with??  The change in child birth was pain NOT man supplying the spiritual part of our nature!!   “The burden of the word of the Lord forIsrael, says the Lord, who stretches forth the heavens, and lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him.” Zechariah 12:1  “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” Ecclesiastes 12:7   “Thou hidest Thy face, they are troubled: Thou takest way their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth Thy spirit, they are created (this is the Hebrew word “bara”- to create something out of nothing).” Psalms 104:29-30   “For in Thee (Christ) is the fountain (source) of life: in Thy light shall we see light.” Psalm 36:9   “To whom hast Thou uttered words?  And whose spirit came from Thee?” Job 26:4   “In Him was/is/had been life, and the life was the light of men.” John 1:4  I think that should sufficiently prove the point!!

Since man does not pro-generate our soul and spirit and the only part of our anatomy that can sin is the soul, just how did Adam have anything to do with propagating sin, since the only thing he brings to the birth process is his physical likeness which cannot sin??  Why blame Adam with the propagation of sin, original or un-original!!  The mind of man is not the origination of sin!!  “Every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.  Then when lust hath conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.” James 1:14-15   When buried in the grave after death (I hope they bury and not cremate!) the mind remains in that buried body while the soul-spirit goes back to God who gave it.”  There is something in man far more than flesh, it is his soul and spirit; that soul and spirit never cease to be, they are like the eternal Father who pro-generated them, Christ!  That that is within the nature called human is what I call the “I” that is within you.

The soul sins AFTER incarnation!!  Was it not in existence by plan as well as the body?  The body was dieing before sin, this is a part of what God planned, and the body did not die as a result of sin, that was the soul. Ezekiel 18:20, 4.  If the soul was never in the human body, could the body have sinned??  The physical body was never to be eternal!!