What Happened in the Garden of Eden?

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 8

 There are many times man has reached too high for his own good.  He has delved into situations that are too high and beyond his abilities to grasp.  “Such knowledge it too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.” Psalms 139:6   It is also true that “the secret things belong to God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us…” Deuteronomy 29:29  The doctrine of “inborn sin” is such a travesty.

Before it was pointed out it was known that “like begets like.”  This is shown repeatedly in the first chapter of Genesis.  “And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the Earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:25   If this had been understood by Augustine, who lived and wrote in the early part of the 4th century, we would not have been cursed with this heresy!!

When God “breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life,” Adam became-what he had not been before, “a living soul.”  The same God that created the Heavens and the Earth had on this note made (asah in Hebrew-to make something after what had already existed) MAN.   What God, the Holy Spirit, used in communicating this to Moses was language man could comprehend, not what was in reality an existent fact.  You see, God is a Spirit, spirits are apart of a complexity that is apart but not necessarily the same thing as a soul.  Spirits in short, have not bodies, spirits do not possess the bodily function of breathing.  God is said to have eyes, hands, breathe, ears and many other parts of man’s anatomy only to express to mankind what in man’s language he can understand. “For after that in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness (infantile) of preaching to save them that believe.”

What came from God was of God.  The ‘breathe of life’ had been used to describe other animals in Genesis 1.  Without breathe man cannot live.  Breathe is not of man, from man; it became a personification of life, it later was used as a personification of the Holy Spirit. John 20:22  By the way, get some of our modern day Atheist to make a little air—put man in a complete vacuum and cause him to live without a little “breathing stuff”!!  What came from God was the soul and spirit part of our make-up.  If made form God, it is not God; it is merely His part in the greatest creation God ever made called MAN!  Mankind has two fathers, Hebrews 12:6-9, “the father of spirits and the father of flesh.”  One can tell which part is of God by seeing which part last the longest!!  This is called birth.   When man hears the “breathing” of the message of God, as given by the Holy Spirit, this part is from God, called Faith.  When faith is obeyed, this is called believed and is baptized man is said to be “born again.” John 3:3-5, 1 Peter 1:18-23

The part of our anatomy that is of man is the body.  The body has within it the mind.  The mind is not the spirit or soul of man, it cannot create, intend, or obey; it is simply a sending and receiving unit.  When man dies, the soul and spirit leave and go back to God-they are from God and are eternal-the body goes back to dust.  As a house, the body has only a short time, if we are Christians, we get a new one!!   As the poets wrote:

Tell me not in mournful numbers      Death; I will have the last word of this argument.

Life is but an empty dream                when you are chanting a requiem over my grave

Life is real! Life is earnest!                I’m singing an exultant hymn.  When you think

And the grave is not its goal.              I’m under the sod, I will be with God.

Dust thou art to dust returnest            the husk alone is thine; the kernel is divine!!

Was not written of the soul.

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 7

Man, like Adam, sins by choice.  It is easier to see the difference in the error in judgment of Adam than that of ourselves, but we all make the same mistake.  What would have happened if Adam had chosen to stay in fellowship with God and not Chosen Eve?  That Adam “counted the cost” before he so readily (it seemed a split second decision) chose Eve, is not known, but we all have made maddening decisions and we did not consider nor did we understand the ramifications of our decision.  What seems so “right” at the start sometimes works out so “wrong.”  Count the cost!!

Would you or I have made the decision Adam made?  We have, if we are older than the age of accountability!!  It is interesting to me that everybody jumps on Adam as the most disreputable man to have ever lived and never themselves in him.

Who was the first, Adam or Eve? Genesis 5:1-2   Adam was complete and needed nothing before the separation of Eve (there are two separate Hebrew words that describe the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve)?  Were they lonely or ALONE??  What did God declare not good (as God ordained)? Genesis 2:17   It was the plan of God before time to bring the Churchof Christinto existence and this plan demanded pro-creation.  Adam needed a helper.  The “sleep” of death shows us THE WAY God determined later in Christ!!  Did not Eve come from the side of Adam?  Did not the Churchof Christcome from the side of Christ?? John 19:34   Before separation God sent Adam into the created animal kingdom to find himself a mate.  “There was NONE like unto man.”  Bestiality (sexual activity with lower animals) was never an option with God!! Genesis 2:18   Some say there are members of the body of Christ in denominationalism, how is that possible since they have never KNOWN Christ??  Was not Christ “in the world, and the world “knew” Him not.” John 1:10.  (Adam “knew” Eve and they had Cain and Abel)   Did not Christ come into this world (creation) among man to spiritually marry the Churchof Christ? Ephesians 5:25   How many wives did Adam have??  How many does Christ have??  What are the other churches that exist, are they not from the “beast of the field”??  They had to be by someone other than Christ!!  They are not married to somebody, they just “join” their churches, and they take on a name that describes to whom they “joined”!!  When a woman is married she wears her husband’s last name, when she procreates like other animals she just changes partners??  Christ and the Church are married!! Romans 7:4   Shacking up (joining) is like animals!!

     Some of our brethren worry about capitalizing the word “church” on letterheads or signs—is not the Church, Assembly, House something special?  WasIsrael ever spelled with a small i?, Hebrews 3:2-6), how about Mrs.??   Is not the Mrs. usually capitalized in English??  Does not her name describe a relationship??

Adam was created as a two beings in one-the same thing that is always mentioned about Christ.  He is the son of God and the son of Man, the lamb and the lion, the servant and master of all, the root of David and the word of God, the author and finisher and I could keep going on.  Was Adam the subject of temptation or was it the “weaker” creation that Satan deceived??  Eve was the azer connecto, the Ebenezer, the stone of help made by Christ to carry out the plan of the Father in pro-creation.  Is this not the role of the Church of Christ??  When she told Adam what to do, did it not end up in tragedy??  I am trying to point out very clearly that Adam chose Eve over God!  Let us make sure we do not do the same!!  We cannot “choose” another “church of our choice” that we can “join” and think we belong to the Bride of Christ!!  

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 6

It is evident that Adam did something!  No, he did not bring physical death into the human race.  No, he did not sin and make all his children thereafter, sinners, inheriting sin from him.  No, he did not keep the Garden of Eden as his permanent home.  No, as far as the record goes, he did not eat of the tree of Life.  No, he did not keep his first twin sons at peace with each other.  Finally, no, he did stand strong against the wiles of his beautiful wife after he thought he had lost her to Satan.

The question often comes to mind.  Did Eve sin?  The apostle Paul speaks about this event in the history of mankind in 1 Timothy 2:10-15.  “For Adam was first formed, then Eve.  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression: Notwithstanding, woman shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”  What is “in the transgression” mean?  The NIV translation of the Bible cannot help but add a little commentary every once and a while that is not warranted.  It is not, therefore, a completely safe translation.  There are many places it makes mistakes on purpose, if you read their purpose for translating.  Do we have another topic that sounds an accord to the sin of Adam?  Are all women as a whole cursed, sinners-born a sinner, because of Eve’s deception?  If not, why not??  Adam was led to sin by his equal; Eve was deceived by a Satan in the body of a snake, something quite inferior to Eve both in nature and appointment by God.  The one time woman taught man, she was wrong.  Adam did not see the tree of knowledge of good and evil as good for food, it was Eve.  It is not “Eve being deceived,” it is “woman being deceived.”  It is the “woman” that shall be saved by childbearing-guiding the house, not Adam, yet is man who is charged with “training them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4   Man and woman were equal but because of the “ease of deception” woman retains her position, place as follows the order of creation.  In Greek it reads; “but woman, having been deceived in transgression has become.”  She was mislead to error and stayed in her place, not becoming the head.

Eve, as they say, “bought the boat.”  She was completely taken in by Satan, she was the leader in the error that became Adam’s separation from the fellowship of God, but Adam, himself was not deceived!

Adam knowingly, intentionally made a decision to retain Eve in fellowship rather than the Almighty!  It was a brutal decision on his part.  Paul earlier writes: “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ….nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is a figure of Him that was to come.” Romans 5:12-14   Adam’s sin was by CHOICE, not deception.  There are many reasons Adams ever since have made such a foolish decision (thousands I am sure thought about thousands of times) but all Adams, lacked the confidence in God that was made known at the sacrifice of Isaac.  Adam lacked faith!!  “For I was alive without the law, once: but when the commandment came, sin became alive, and I died.” Romans 7:9   Innocence was replaced by command, command made us make a choice; we all chose poorly-the reasons are endless, the results, the same.

God is still kind to mankind.  The error of Eve is innocence, not choice.  All of us commit our first sin without intention.  Satan still has the advantage.  God offered “woman” the same opportunity as He offers us except now He has offered His Son, not the son of Abraham!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 5

What are the wages of sin?  Through inspiration, the apostle Paul tells us: “the wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23   Did Adam’s sin bring about physical death?  Most never  think it otherwise.  What does the scripture teach?  “wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:  For until the law, sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.” Romans 5:12-13   Any time you see therefore or wherefore in the written Book, you always remember that it is saying, “and because of this”!  Now, because of what?  Look at verse 11 of Romans 5.  “We joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”  The at one ment with God has been affected by the blood of Jesus Christ, we are saved by His blood!!

If sin causes physical death, why do the sinless die?  Here, comes the “inborn sin” of the denominationalists.  Can I ask you a question?  What animals or plants Christ created of this Earth, do not die?  Do they inherit sin?  Is not death an announcement that NOTHING from or of this planet will survive this planet?  Is this not what Enoch preached some 5,000 years, ago?  By the way, did Enoch die?  Did Enoch sin?  Understanding that sin is the transgression of the Law of God, no one can become a sinner (notice the word become, you become what you are not!) until they transgress, violate, go beyond the commands of, or come short of the Law’s demands!!  One could not become if they were born, sinners!!   Did they sin?  Did they inherit the sin of Adam??  Is death just a means of population control or when people talk about the results of Adam’s disobedience are they not talking about another death-spiritual death?

Which natures created, other than man, is not of or made from this planet, do not die?  Can something exist on this earth and not be made from this Earth?  No, I am not talking about extra-terrestrial, they are someone’s allusion!  I am talking about beings who, like man, are composed of substance, anatomy, nature, that are also not made from something of this Earth.  One of these beings are angels.  They are the other spirit beings made by Christ before He made man.  Made, by the way, for the service He demands to His children, those who had sinned and those who had not sinned, before there was such a thing as sin!!  (It would greatly help His blood-bought children to see themselves as, like the angels, not of this Earth!!- Philippians 3:20)  Did sin not come into the angelic nature before it came to humanity?  Did all angels inherit Satan’s sin?  Can Satan pray to God?   Spirits die when they lose the fellowship of God.  Man and angels are eternal.  Angels do not have bodies of flesh but can be separated from God and be lost?? Satan got past Eve by speaking of her physical anatomy!!  Eve was deceived and not charged with sin, you and I know better when we forget our soul and spirit came from Christ!! Hebrews 12:9

Do not spirit beings influence and control inferior natures?  Can spirits take over control the flesh??  Can more than one spirit live in a human body??  Successful parents succeed when by physical punish, but when they can demand the obedience of their spirits they gain their trust and are worthy of honor!  Do not women who are weaker physically but stronger spiritually govern the house many times?  Do not feel so unduly aggravated with Eve when, like ourselves, she went up against an arch-angel and was so easily out-thought and over-matched!!  Why has “God given His Spirit to all them that obey Him”? Acts 5:32   “Of what a man is overcome, of the same is he brought into bondage”!! 2 Peter 2:19   Man, in the flesh, is fair game for Satan unless the Spirit of God is residing on the throne room of his heart!!  Adam was charged with the sin, not Eve!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 4

Many look on Adam as a failure, after all he allowed Eve to woo him into eating the forbidden fruit and, as a result, sin came into the realm of humanity.  Adam was given the charge by God to carry the message of the gospel to all his children born to he and Eve in the Garden, yet one of the first twins ever known to be born committed the sin of will worship, mocking God.  Adam’s wife, Eve, from his own physical side, did not look to him for leadership and took on Satan in the body of a snake. When she had eaten of the forbidden fruit from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, she intimidated Adam into eating.  Who was in charge, here?  He showed no leadership, yet was totally in control of his own destiny.  Adam, because of his sin lost his front door key to the Garden of Eden and was never allowed back into that beautiful place the rest of his days.  Adam’s son, Cain rose up and killed his twin brother, Abel!  But Adam DID NOT bring into the world physical death, like all men he was starting the process of physically dying WHEN he was made from the dust of the Earth!!

The way Satan got by Eve was the matter of death.  Discussing the potential of dying, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it…, lest you die.”  Satan responded to Eve; “Dieing, you are dieing, already,” as though what God had told Adam was not true when in actuality, God was not talking about physical death, He was speaking of spiritual separation, death. Isaiah 59:1-2   Preparation made for Adam and Eve’s physical death, if it had been discussed with Adam, was never seemingly related to Eve.  Physical Death was completely beyond her understanding.  What God had discussed was spiritual death, still something they did not understand (but Satan understood it real well). Dieing, was a real problem for Eve!  Satan “turned the phrase” on Eve, offering the innocent an unfair explanation.  What he intimated was what she already had, she would exist eternally, for she was also soul and spirit, but the body in which she was housed would not advance to the next plateau of existence.  Satan’s alternate plan would ALSO allow her “to be as gods” which was already true!!  Satan’s conversation was far beyond Eve’s competency!  The physical body was never meant to exist, forever.  There were so MANY things that had not been explained about God’s plan for man yet, that was beyond their competency level.  It took God 5,000 years more to explain. Yet, when His Son came in the flesh man STILL had not caught on!!

Eve took the fruit as a means of stopping what had already physically begun in their bodies, she was innocent, and innocency knows no concept like rebellion!!  Eve was not mean and un-repentant, Eve was innocent and unsuspecting.  Who had ever lied to her before this, and Satan only told her a half-truth at that!!  The “fear of death” seems to be a natural, unlearned, instinct of humanity, put in us by our Creator.  Babies cry and will go into what seems like an un-consolable state of shock and un-remitting fear when their bodies tell them they have need of food.  This is a natural instinct.  Eve had NEVER been deprived of anything-it was a concept that completely threw her, but Eve had a problem that all of us share, if we are not careful.  Eve thought God had not or maybe could not provide.  Eve, like all us, think we have to make up for God’s incompetence by doing it ourselves, a pattern seen over and over again in the Scriptures!!

Yes, it was a terrible day when sin came to mankind; but dealing with an arch-angel, never having been lied to, not having a suspicious spirit, and always completely provided for—would you or I have done better??

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 3

Adam was an attempted conquest of Satan.  Satan had been successful in his first effort to thwart the plan and purpose of the Almighty with those angels under his command that listened to his half-lies.  When Satan beheld man and knew God’s plan in the purpose of the creation of all things, it was his greatest, overwhelming desire to defeat man as he had those angels who had sinned.  For man to teach that sin FIRST entered by Adam is false.  Sin already existed BEFORE man was created and among those Seraphims who superintended the Earth under the authority of Satan, the arch angel of the Earth assigned by God, the Son.  Satan’s jealousy of God’s affinity to man, which angels could never have and the fact that angels were created FOR man as servants in a period in which time and timelessness as yet was unrealized by man, caused him to try and outdo the plan of God.  It is revealed in Scripture that angels were made first, then man. Job 38:7  God made three types; arch-angels, cherubims, and seraphims.  There are angels that function as “the” spirit of the nation” over which they preside, nations to which they are assigned by God. Daniel 10:12,13, and 20.  Arch-angels have might and power unknown and unequaled to anything created.  The only way to be superior to arch angels is to un-created, which alone describes God!  Angels, like God, are spirit beings. Hebrews 1:14  There were three of this magnitude: Michael, Gabriel, and Satan.  Each of these angels seemed to be personally responsible to one of the members of the Godhead.  Only arch angels could theophanize (take on a physical body in appearance).  They do not marry, are male in gender, and cannot die.  They are real, personal beings, not just some abstract personification of good and evil.  They are not omniscient (all wise), nor omnipotent (everywhere), omnipotent (all knowing), and with the exception of arch angels, are not omnifarious (be in physical form).    They are NOT glorified human beings and exist in a vast multitude, and are highly organized, created as man, HOLY!  In their state of probation (that equal to life on earth for mankind) some fell from their state of innocence. 2 Peter 2:4  Scripture is  silent regarding the time and cause of their fall, but we are sure it preceded man’s fall and was predicated by the same evil angel.  Is not a question as to why God created Satan, the question we should all worry about? God is not like man, Satan can, as Jesus mentioned, “have nothing in Me.” John 14:30

Angel is non-translatable, it is always spelled in some form of its original.  They are a supernatural or heavenly beings created to become servants to God’s vaunted creation, man.  The word Satan means adversary, and Scripture shows him to be the adversary of both God and man.  He hinders man’s temporal and eternal welfare by a limited control over natural phenomena, by inflicting disease, and tempting man to sin, and spreading false doctrine; appearing as an angel of righteousness which those so deceived cannot recognize, even those who were “once enlightened.”  Satan and his angels will be vanquished from the presence of God even as man, when Christ “delivers the Kingdom back to the Father.”  There was ONE who is and was known as the “Angel of the Lord” both in the Old Testament and New whose function was to use, select, and instruct those who would “become heirs of the adoption.” Hebrews 3:1-6

Man is still suffering from the delusion that he can defeat his arch enemy, Satan.  For we who are in theChurchofChrist, Christ has “bound Satan for a thousand years,” Revelations 20:1-4, but for denominationalism, this holds no hope.  They can and will be hopeless and helpless before the destruction of deceit by the master, himself, swearing all the time allegiance and love for the Christ who died for them!!  Now, about Adam.

What Happened in the Garden of Eden? Part 2

Cain sinned, but not in the same way as did Adam.  Cain was one of the first that were twins, so Moses writings tell us, for the verb knew was singular, not plural, nor repeated.  Cain and Abel were born after the sin of Adam and Eve, not while Adam lived in the Garden of Eden or the area in proximity to the Garden!  Cain began his sin as all sin begins, with a hostile attitude toward God which lead him to disobedience.  Cain was not worshipping God “in spirit and in truth” as was Abel, John 4:24, and when Cain saw Abel so worshipping God, Hebrews 11:4, Cain grew angry and jealous.  He hated his brother and murdered him, 1 John 3:12.  God is not unjust, and sin does not come upon us as a curse from God!!  God is not the author of sin, it is contrary to His nature.

Cain was “marked” (Hebrew word oth which means sign, mark, token, badge, warning, omen, symbol).  God would leave other “marks” in the world which would allow us to understand this mark.  There would be the rainbow, stars in the heavens, circumcision, miracles, wonders, and prophecies.  I have often said it was clothing.  Many have questioned that, that is fine with me, but you have to admit the first thing Adam and Eve did was put on the “mark” when they heard the voice of God (sounds like what we do when we hear the voice of God, Mark 16:16) which was clothing (sounds again like what we do, Galatians 3:27) but did not set up a Walmart (start a denominational church, God started His Own).  Until this century, clothing was considered a standard of wealth, not modesty.

What was Cain’s occupation?  If he could not get strength from the Earth, how did or would he feed his family or himself?  He would not depend on his brothers or sisters, aunts and uncles, there was no welfare society-where and how did he eat?  If you follow his manner of living, it forces us to the conclusion that he became a “keeper of sheep.”  Interesting that if this be true and the ground would not bless him, the very thing over which the life of his brother was surrendered became the occupation by which he fed himself and his families.  This would support the idea of him being able to continue his “mark” and begin the trade and commerce with others.  Did Adam cause this?    

Now comes the question always asked of Cain.  Where did he get his wife?  It was NOT from an act of God, so Cain could blame her on God, it was not the exact match as Eve was Adam, she biologically had to be his sister though many generations of sons and daughters, so it would seem to be so that where ever he found her, she did not come from a family close enough to Eden that the murder of Abel would cause them to take vengeance of Cain.  ThelandofNodby definition of the name was the land of wonderers or vagrants.  From the name, Cain found his wife.  “And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were 800 years: and he begot sons and daughters:” Genesis 5:4.  Adam began as a full-grown, perfectly developed, God-created man.  He was unlike any man before him or after him—no one duplicates Adam in time of existence or children that to him were born.  Why do they pick on the sin of Adam, as terrible and meaningful as it was, to explain just ONE likeness to this great man?  It defies logic as all denominationalism does.  Never, again, do we hear or read about Adam committing ANOTHER SIN!!  Maybe he did or did not, I don’t know; but, you live 860 years and commit one sin of importance and when ½ of your ancestors turn out to be as righteous as wereAdamsyou will have bragging rights!!  Adam did have this record, and a very enviable record it is!!  Every man and woman that lives, today, comes from this man and his wife—we are all his children by Eve—if Christ as the pattern be followed!

What Happened in the Garden of Eden?

Adam, the first man/woman showed Satan our “soft spot.”  It is impossible to tell how long Satan worked on mother Eve, but he did not stop until he got the answer he was seeking—man can be enticed with what he thinks is more important than live.  From then until now man has suffered the consequences of this discovery.

Denominationalism has tried explaining the consequences of Adam’s sin as physical death. Physical death is as much as apart of our nature as is birth.  Sure, Adam died, but also do all who are human.  Death is as much a part of our nature as hunger.  The more rebellious to the law God has set for man to obey, the more fiendish and disobedient we become is not the sign of a real man, it is the sign of a man that is still selfish and immature!!    

Some have said the sin of Adam changed our nature leaving all of mankind the subjects of Adam’s sin.  The only sin for which Adam will ever answer will be his own just like the only sins for which we will answer will be our own.  Again, all the sin of Adam accomplished was the roadway to our weakness which Satan has traveled on ever since.  Denominationalism has taught that ALL of mankind is totally depraved, incapable of any good and if not for the grace of God (which they define as salvation by choice, not by obedience) man could not and would not have any possibility of salvation. Salvation is just being lucky.  They have reasoned that each saved person has been predestinated, or chosen beforehand and that, indescriminately.  Solely and totally by the inerrant selection of God, they tell us man is a victim instead of a recipient of the wondrous glory given him, that man must receive a miraculous and wondrous experience so he can prove to all others he is a part of the eternally predetermined that are to be saved.  And people have believed this as gospel!!  Did Adam cause this??     This violated the principles of fairness, equality, and reason which SO MUCH is apart of the nature of God and makes God a villain instead of our glorious creator!!

MAN DID NOT INHERIT SIN, all he inherited from Adam was life by the means of pro-creation!!  The action of pro-creation was not Adam’s choice, it was by command-“multiply and replenish the Earth.”  Cain was not made to sin, he was not chosen to sin; Cain sinned because his heart was contrary to God’s Law and would not yield to obedience.  Abel, his twin brother, had a heart that was prone to obedience and for this difference Abel lost his life.  Cain was then driven from the society that then existed near the Garden of Eden and was cursed from the Earth!!  Cain was a farmer—now that was immulating Adam!!  It was Cain, not Adam, to which the Earth would not yield (Hebrew word nathan which meant to shoot up, come out of the grown- yielded) her strength-substance, wealth.  Cain was then forced, not Adam, to be a fugitive (wonder up and down, be a gypsy, never settling down long enough to sow and harvest) and a vagabond (one who wonders about).  Cain’s cry was one of remorse, not true repentance.  He was overwhelmed by the severity of his sentence, not Adam’s, but was not sorry for his crime.  He was selfish and now deprived of all material belongings (he never had a front door) and driven into the wilderness, an area east of Eden.  Cain was afraid that some of the descendants of Adam would find him and exact revenge for there were many more of them than just him.  Did Adam cause this??

One would think, would they not, that since Cain was so close to Adam, Cain would have been a picture of the “Adamic Nature” would you not??  Wonder what “nature” of Adam Abel had??  It is hard to make denominationalism work with the Bible!!