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Who are these people called Baptist? Part 9

It is an unwarranted assumption that when John baptized a man or woman they were made Baptists and those in turn that they baptized were Baptists. If this was the case, then our Lord being baptized of John would have to have been said to have membership in the Baptist church! There is not a passage in all of holy writ which states this as fact. NONE were called “Baptist”, except John!! If there is ONE indication as to what John’s converts were called it is in Matthew 9:14. “Then came to Him the disciples of John, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but Thy disciples fast not?” By the way, the name Baptist does not glorify Christ. 1 Peter 4:16 states: “If any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed but let him glorify (praise, honor, adorn with luster, impart glory to) God on this behalf (by this name).” Baptism glorifies an ordinance, act or obedience, not the Savior!! Again, if you can find out where the Bible mentions TWO Baptists, I will drop the contention about using the name!!
An act performed upon ones person does not make the person on whom the act has been performed the same in kind of a being as the administrator of the act. Example: a doctors patient does that make the patient a doctor? A man rides a car: does that make the car a man? Methodists sprinkle babies: are babys, sprinklers? If Rich Singleterry, a short order specialists and lawn maintenance owner, baptizes John Wilson, a painter, does John Wilson become a short order specialists and a lawn maintenance owner? Parents spank their children (or used to) did that make the children, parents?
If all John baptized became Baptist because John baptized them, all who Paul baptized became paulinians. It is not strange that those John baptized, did not become Johns, just Baptist!! Also, a Baptist church can nowhere exist where there is not a plurality of members (one of them in our area just closed its doors). There is NOWHERE in the Bible where the mentioning of TWO Baptist exist. There, then, must have been NO Baptist church in the New Testament!! There IS the mentioning of several Churches of Christ in the New Testament: “Salute one another with a holy kiss; the Churches of Christ salute you.” Romans 16:16 “And I was unknown by face unto the Churches of Christ in Judaea.” Galatians 1:21
Did all who were charter members of the Baptist church that were baptized by John in the Jordan River members of the Baptist church? Then, Jesus was a member of the Baptist church: agreed? Of those Jesus had His disciples baptize while John would have been making more members of the Baptist church, what were they? John 4:1 “And Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John. (Though Jesus himself baptize not, but His disciples.) ”What did Jesus call those disciples that His disciples baptize?? It couldn’t have been. Baptist. John had nothing to do with it! It couldn’t have been members of the Church of Christ for she whom Christ shed His life’s blood had not come into existence!
We find the location of the Church of Christ in Jerusalem when it came into existence, can you help me with the location of the Baptist church that would have had to have preexisted the Church of Christ? Can you find me the location of the Roman Catholic Church in AD 33 (which would have had to pre-exist the Church of Christ), if the Roman Catholic church was the first church?
I had a man come to be baptized into Christ that had been turned down by a Baptist church in town for not having a high school education. During investigation I found out that no man is a member of the Baptist Church that the Baptist Church will not accept as a candidate for baptism! Some Baptist church has to sanction their baptism! Wonder who or what sanctioned the baptisms of John and those of Christ disciples? (You can forget the high school diploma, too)!!
John and Jesus disciples baptism was a baptism of preparation. They were to prepare the Jews and the Jews only for the coming kingdom. No Gentile was ever baptized by John or Jesus disciples. Again, find a Gentile, show us his or her name in the New Testament, please don’t make me wait too long!!

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 8

It is an unwarranted assumption that John was called a Baptist before he ever baptized. The Bible teaches in Luke 1:13 “and thou shalt call his name John.” In Luke 1:60, his mother Elizabeth declared “he shall be called John.” Zacharias, his father, while he was still dumb and could not speak, “ask for a writing table, and wrote, saying, his name is John. And they marveled.” John, the apostle who wrote by direction of the Holy Spirit said ”and there was a man sent from God whose name was John.” The Holy Spirit instructed John and Luke to give him a name that was John. There is nowhere in prophecy or any other place where there is an indication he would be known as “the Baptist” prior to his baptizing! According to Zacharias, prophecy 30 years before John began baptizing, the following titles might have applied scripturally and logically. He would be called a prophet, Luke 1:76– he would be called a forerunner, same verse, he would be called a preparer, same verse, a would be called a knowledge giver, Luke 1:77, he would be called a light giver, Luke 1:79, are he could have been called of feet guider. Luke 1:79. The first mention of him as a baptizer was in connection with his mission. Matthew 3:1 – 2.
He was known only as John until he began preaching. Luke 1:1-4 “for as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us. Even as they deliver them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; it’s in good for me and thee also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, that thou might us know the certainty of those things wherein thou has been instructed.” It is obvious from Luke’s introductory statement to his gospel that in his Gospel he proposed to write in order “all things from the very first.” This is Luke’s own statement as inspired by the Spirit to write of the matter! This is either true, accepted as truth, or not true. Luke wrote that he had perfect understanding. Those who believe the Bible believe Luke told the truth; so when he spoke of John, in every instance in which he is mentioned him by name, Luke only calls him John, it follows that from the beginning he was called John– not John the Baptist!
In Luke 3:1-3, “in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar-the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness..” As you can tell here, he was not called the Baptist. It might be worth a comment that Luke’s gospel gives the record of John before he began baptizing while Matthews Gospel mentions him first in connection with his reason for baptizing!. The term was used to designate and distinguish John from other John’s spoken in the Gospels. A note of interest, there were times he was called the Baptist, and John was never mentioned! The American Union Translation of the New Testament abolishes the name Baptist, and gives the true translation-immercer. I might also note, John was never called a Baptist preacher-nowhere, ever was he referred to as a Baptist! You have to mutilate or change the word of God to get from the Bible that John was a Baptist or a Baptist preacher!! Another interesting note, is that no other John who had that as a name, was also known as a Baptist. If you can find were the Bible speaks of two Baptist, I will personally apologize to you!
If all John baptized became Baptist because John baptized them, then by the same reasoning all Christ had baptized became Christians! It is strange that of all the Baptist John made, none of them were ever called by their first name plus the Baptist that is recorded. Can a church be a Baptist church and not wear the name Baptist church? You can change the dress you wear but still preach the same damnable lies!! Why did they not immerse for the first 80 years?? There is a major difference in being called a Baptist and being baptized! Was John himself ever baptized!!
Baptist have quit baptizing for the remission of sin!! Confusing?? If a Supreme Court justice baptized a prisoner, does that make a Supreme Court judge out of the prisoner? When Paul baptized the household of Stephanas, did that make all the household apostles? Since all preachers are men, and one of them baptizes a woman, did that make the woman a man?

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 7

It is interesting to note that the people who call themselves Baptists have no way to determine that reality. John the Baptist and his ancestors were physical Jews. They spoke a language, called Aramaic, and never spoke English. John the Baptist never attended a day of school in his life, and ever, as far as the Scriptures record, attend an assembly at the temple in Jerusalem. There are things that are said about John they give us a lot of his history, but one thing is never said-than he ever was under the authority of the English King, never was in Amsterdam, and never ever questioned whether baptism is immersion, sprinkling, are pouring. That “much water there”in speaking of the way John baptized, gives it away!!
John the Baptist is the only man in human flesh that ever baptized a saved individual. When Jesus Christ came to be baptized of John he had no sin! As a God,Christ came in human flesh to John to be baptized to be introduced as the sin offering for the Church of Christ. Some have asked why John could not be baptized by Jesus. The answer is simple, Christ had not shed His blood which He was to offer before God the Father after His resurrection. “Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.” “The blood of bulls and goats in the ashes of a heifer could not take away sin.“ When Jesus and John met that day, the blood of an animal was the only blood that had ever been presented on a Jewish altar. It was ”the Lamb of God,” not the Lamb of the Jew that would remove sin!
Did John and Jesus preached five years, “baptism for the remission of sin” which included the idea that the sin can be rolled ahead until the blood of Christ HAD BEEN shed and miss a man who was hung on the torture stake right beside Jesus Christ? The Baptist Church brags about the fact that the thief on the cross was not baptized, that he didn’t need to be, that he was saved by faith only. IF I were a Baptist preacher, I would be embarrassed to preach that doctrine. If the thief on the cross was never baptized-that means he was never a Baptist! In their “how-to manual” that I read the other day from the Baptist Church, they tell you implicitly that baptism has nothing to do with your salvation. If John had not been baptized by the disciples of Jesus or by John or his disciples, if it proves nothing more, it proves that the thief on the cross was not a Baptist-one and less soul lied to, the thief- the thief was emphatically saved! For the thief to be saved, he had to have been circumcised the eighth day by Jewish priest. I don’t think Baptist preachers have ever been in that business now!
Every time John preached, that is recorded, he was preaching that the kingdom of heaven was nigh at hand, near at the door. John baptized the Jew, and the Jew lonely, that they may be ready to enter into the kingdom when it came “not many days hence.” The Baptist Church does not teach that the kingdom has come yet, they teach that the pre-millennial reign of Christ will be when the kingdom comes to the world-they call it “Christ thousand year reign.” If all the people John baptized were dead in 50 years, was he mocking them, getting them wet for nothing?? That would’ve been a bad joke!!
John the Baptist never spoke English. Since the Baptist Church began in 1603 A.D., had John ever ventured into one of their assemblies, he would have been to them “a barbarian.” 1 Corinthians 14:11 If John had gone to China, how would his Aramaic have worked?? Any of his disciples ever preach a message speaking in a foreign or a different language than John spoke? Their message was only to the Jews, to whom John had been sent to prepare the way of the Lord.
John ever take the Lord Supper. Had they partaken, what would the content of the cup? I’m not saying they couldn’t partake, it would mean no more to them than being baptized in water thinking they were already saved! Was this another bad joke?? How many Easter observances and monde Thursdays did John miss at 6 AM? Where did that get that idea? Baptist assemble on Saturday??

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 6

It has been shown from the last two articles, that Baptist people are not associated or kin to John the Baptist. How they came about with their name and their doctrine has previously been discussed. If they knew not John the Baptist, it is for sure they had no kinship with our Lord! The doctrines that they teach hail from the 13th 14th and 15th centuries, not the first or second century. Their doctrines are rebuttals in many cases to the false doctrine of Roman Catholicism and its tenets. Their “faith only” “believe in Jesus, only,” “works nullify grace” are contradictory doctrine to the church of Rome.
The Scriptures teach that the church of the New Testament, is known as the Baptist Church, and was established during the personal ministry of Christ. The problem with this supposition is that “a testament cannot exist as long as the testator lives!! Hebrews 9:16-17 There could then be no new new testament church until after Christ died! If the Baptist Church came into existence during Christ personal ministry, then the gospel of Christ was effective before Christ had authority to preach it! Every time they tell you something about the New Testament before the New Testament came into effect or before Christ died, you have to revert back to Hebrews 9:16 – 17. Just in case you may have never read that verse of Scripture, let me cite that for you right now. “For where testament is, there must also be the death of the testator. For a testament is a force after men are dead, otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator to lives.” Please explain to me then how the New Testament covenant could be in effect before the death of He who made that covenant, our Lord Jesus Christ.
They will tell you that the New Testament church is the Baptist Church, that the New Testament churches the Baptist Church existed during Christ personal ministry, and that the Baptist Church became effective before the New Testament church. The problem is you probably never read this in the Bible, and that historically, the Baptist Church of which you have heard did not begin until 1603. If I can count that’s about 1600 years after Christ established his church in AD33, 9 o’clock on Sunday morning. I find no place in the Scriptures themselves that teach anything about a Baptist Church, speak of its existence anywhere the apostle Paul preached, or told a way to enter its membership in the entirety of the New Testament. Could the New Testament Scriptures be so blatantly silent about what Jesus gave his life blood to purchase? All they need to do is presented passage(s) that mention the church called the Baptist. We will accept one in the Old Testament, even, if they have one to give us!! To present the verse of Scripture that names the Baptist Church as an existent entity before the church of Christ came into existence in AD 33 will forever settled the problem. Right!!
You might do as I have done. I was born in Johnson City, Tennessee in 1945. Before 1945, I was not. I did not even owe anyone anything before I was born!! The problem with this doctrine is it is just not true. John and Jesus thought the kingdom was at hand, nigh at the door! These were prophecies about something that would be, not already was! You can do as I have done, ask them if Judas was in the kingdom? Then refer them to Mark 9:1. Was Nicodemus in the kingdom? Was Zaccheus in the kingdom? Was the rich young ruler in the kingdom? Was Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob!!
There are terms and appellations that describe different functions that people can fulfill. A human being of the male gender is generally called a man, but that man could be called a father, that man can be called a Christian, that man can be an American. These adjectives define the man. The kingdom, the church, the bride, the pearl of great price and many other appellations described the same institution, just different facets of that institution. Jesus is the King of the kingdom, He is the head of the church, He is the groom who married the bride, He purchased the pearl of great price. Until all authority was given to Christ, until He sat down on His holy Hill in Zion, until the regeneration took place-Matthew 19:28 HE WAS NONE OF THESE!! These same principles exist when you use the name church or bride. None of these ever refer to the Baptist, by the way.

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 5

It is more than confusion try to keep the ancestry of Philip the King. He is most the time referred to as Herod Philip. He had the unfaithful wife, Herodias, who was responsible for John’s death when John had raised an uproar about her marriage and was embarrassed by John in pubic. She determined to have John put out of the way. All history records the alienation and ire of the Jewish people by the deed she forced Herod into. She asked for the head of John the Baptist by Salome. Herod had made a real stupid promise, all He had to say was I promised you do a gift, I did not offer to commit murder! Sometimes, when men are trying to impress other men they overstepped themselves. In Leviticus 18:16 and 20:21 it was unlawful for a man to have his brother’s wife. Herod was an Edomite, yet, he was bound by a law of God called instinct or nature. It is shameful that a man of such great morality and courage could be so easily killed by a woman who had none. History records that even the Roman world set themselves against Herod. Herodias was stripped of her royalty and sent off to spend the rest of her life with Herod.
In Matthew 14:1-14, Herod conscience had so messed with him that Herod even confused Christ with John the Baptist, like the Baptist Church does today. The guilty conscience(the usual complement of atheism) held no sway with the Christ. Christ was not sympathetic to his plea. Herod got the message of Jesus and John the Baptist confused, he thought John the Baptist preached John was to resurrect from the dead-wrong prophet!!
Preachers may be silenced, and imprisoned, and even banished, but the word of God will still be preached. The prophets may not live forever, but when the word of God seizes control of the hearts and minds of men, it will strive with man. It is true, like the blood of Abel, “blood can cry out of the ground” and “make the devils fear and tremble,” even though they will not repent! They will never be at peace with themselves. There may evidence of the terror of strong conviction yet, no saving conversion!! God accepts no man or woman’s person, all men are subject to the law of God! There may be times that preachers may be indiscreet and get away with it, but sometimes those in authority, without honor, are not restrained from wicked practices. A common error of power is supposed sovereignty.
And so Herod beheaded John. What did that gain him? And in whose eyes was he lifted higher? He who had been a blessing, after his death was now being blessed. A great deal of innocent blood will have been shed before time ends, who will gain? There was a voice silenced, a “burning, shining light was extinguished,” but God was glorified! The damsel and her mother may have triumphed for a moment, but condemned for eternity! Jerome writes that when John’s head was brought her, she gave herself the barbarous diversion of pricking the tongue with a needle. She thought she had stopped his message. She had made sport of a great man, her mother’s insatiable rage had made disciples weep and lament as the world rejoiced, yet like brother Stephen all they got out of it was the burial of the body-from that point on they had no joy, for the removal of this great preacher had advanced the kingdom of God. This was all he had dedicated his life to, anyway!!
Josephus mentions the death of John the Baptist in his book Antiquities 18.116 – 119, and adds, that a fatal destruction of Herod’s Army took place in his war with Arteas, King of the Petrea (whose daughter was Herod’s first wife, whom Herod put away to make room for Herodias). It was generally considered by the Jews to be just judgment upon Herod and Herodias who were both banished to Lyons in France, which says Josephus, was his just punishment for harkening to her solicitation. And lastly, the daughter of Herodias, skating on the ice that winter, fell through the ice, fell headlong, slit her neck on a rock so badly that it was severed from body. God had required her head for that of the Baptist. If true, this was a remarkable act of Providence. Sometimes it just does not pay to do the works of darkness! And where did John end up? In the arms of his beloved Lord! Comfort sometimes have no value, sometimes when taken, show us the “hand of God.”

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 4

When John the baptizer was leaving the scene of life, he turned his report card in to the Creator of all things, Jesus Christ, to be graded. John was now in prison, had he prepared the Way? His grade would be determined by the fulfillment of the prophecy concerning him; ”he came to prepare the way of the Lord, to make his paths straight.” John had heard that Jesus was in the area by the miracles that He was performing, had the “minds of the fathers been turned to the children,” or had the Jew sufficiently repented to accept the message of Christ? Repentance prepares people to receive God but it is faith that prepares people for the blessings of God Handing the baton to the King of Kings and Lord of lords was the most honorable of all occasions. ”I must decrease, He must increase.” It was not given to John to work miracles, the job given him by the Master of all Ages, was even greater. The message that John delivered to the Jew is never preached by the people who today claim his name: wonder why? John had one joy that he claimed for his own, this is the joy of introducing the Bridegroom to His bride. To introduce the bridegroom one has to understand there must be a bride. The bride was and is the church of Christ. John is on record as claiming Jesus Christ to be his friend, John 3:29, when he stood and heard Him, John’s joy was fulfilled. This joy could only be satisfying if the opportunity of this introduction had been received by the Friend. The joy was the occasion of this joy: John proclaimed the forthcoming marriage of Christ and His Church. The Baptist Church today does not preach of this joy, they, in fact, preach that John’s joy has been rescinded and that Christ marriage will not take place until the Second Coming. How could they get so far off message?
There was a message John delivered that John claimed the world would not receive; “The Father loves the Son, and has given all things over into His hand.” This was not an Abraham – Lot situation, no choice in this matter would be by God, allowed!! The Queen would be the closest thing to the heart of the King, the bride would be the closest thing to the heart of her Lord, to denounce the bride to return to His predecessor could never be anything considered at any time. John preach the end of the Jew as the chosen people of God, the Baptist Church today teaches the Jew is still God’s chosen and the church of Christ has no place of honor. How you get this far off message? How could any people who claim to love the God of heaven require Him to denounce His wife and go back to the one He would divorce because of unfaithfulness? The Baptist Church today, had it to attend the preaching of John the Baptist, would throw up its hands in disgust. There was nothing he was preaching-they believe. They do not accept the sole authority of the Son, nor the woman to whose hand He was given in marriage!! The Baptist Church today, does not accept the Father, in that period of time in Judea, marriages were prearranged, by the Father. So what message today do they preach? Jesus said in Matthew 11:6: “Blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in Me.” This word for offended means to see one in another light of which Christ did not approve. You cannot cast the net of the gospel to those who will not receive the message. Wisdom cries in the city at the entry of the gate that we hear the word of the Lord.
The return message of Jesus to John the Baptist made the prison a Palace, fear became nonexistent, and the purpose of a life of service, rewarded. For Christ conveyed to John, in the language befitting his dignity, “well done, my good and faithful servant, enter now into the joys of thy Lord.” Present circumstances being ignored are the benefit of faith. Christ friend and confidant did not need the doting words of approval that the unspiritual often require, he needed the restatement of purpose that both John and Jesus had come to do the will of the Father! If, there be a remaining insecurity and un-belief, it is often settled, in an hour of temptation, by a confidence of faith that only truth can settle!

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 3

What would have been the possibility of John the Baptist starting his own church? Was John Jesus competitor or was he the one sent to introduce the Jew to the Messiah? All the prophecies made of John the Baptist in the Old Testament, did any ever stipulate that he was to ever start a church? By what authority did John baptize people? Was John human and divine-are just human?
In John 3:28, the prophet John the Baptist answered and said, “A man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven. You yourselves bear Me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before Him. He that hath the bride is the Bridegroom, but the friend of the Bridegroom, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all, he that is of the earth is earthly, He that cometh from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no man receives His testimony. For He whom God has sent speak of the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to Him. The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. He that believes on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:27-36 John was either confused or the Baptist Church teaches a lie when they tell us that John came to start his church, and it was the Baptist Church. Had John started the Baptist Church, when Christ began his church the Baptist Church should have gone out of existence! Paul asked the disciples of John when he came into Ephesus “if they’d receive the Holy Spirit says they believed, they said they’d never heard of there be such a ‘Being’ as the Holy Spirit. He said to them; “John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying under the people that they should believe on Him that should come after him that is on Christ. When they heard this they were baptized in the name of Christ”. Acts 19:1-5 Had John ever started a church, the apostle Paul put it out of business! In the Old Testament we know that Jesus church was prophesied to begin in Jerusalem and Isaiah 2:2-4, the prophet Isaiah said; “and the law shall go forth from Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” Tell me my friend, one place that states where John’s church would start, where it should go forth, and from what city?
John was sent to introduce Jesus, not compete with the Creator of the universe! “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse” Malachi 4:5-6 John was a human being like you and I. Human beings are not supposed to start churches. Only God is supposed to start the church. John had a father as well as a mother. Jesus never had a physical father!! John had no brothers and sisters. Jesus had four brothers and sisters. John’s mother and daddy died when John was just a child. Christ mother saw him crucified!! Don’t tell me that people can’t tell the difference between John and Jesus!!
John’s message was clear. “Then said they to him, who art thou? That we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself. He answered and said into them, “I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord as said the prophet Isaiah.” And they which were sent where the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said to him, ‘why baptizes thou then’, if thou be not the Christ, nor Elias, neither that Prophet? John answered them, saying, ‘I baptize with water: but there stands one among you, whom ye know not, He it is whose coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoes latchet I am not worthy to unloose.’ The next day John saw Jesus coming unto to him, and saith, “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. He is preferred before me: for He was before me. THIS IS WHY I CAME BAPTIZING.

Who are these people called Baptist? Part 2

It is hard for us to conceive the churches and the doctrine that was taught before the 16th century. All England, Scotland, Switzerland, France, and Christianity as a whole had one common baptism that was always a part of every religion. Sprinkling for baptism came about in the second or third century A.D., and was only used in emergencies. As was the case in all of Europe, so the case in the early existence of the Baptist Church that started around 1603-1610 in Holland and Amsterdam where she began. Religious freedom is not something that is considered so sacred today as it was then. When a man lived in a country he was commanded to practice the religion of that country or suffer persecution and death. When King Henry VIII decided to marry Anne of Boleyn, divorce his first wife which the Roman Catholic Church stopped. King Henry started his own church, killed all the Roman Catholic leadership in England and became the head of the Episcopalian church and killed Anne three years, later. The major difference between the Episcopalian church and the Roman Catholic Church was strictly authority. Denying the authority of the Pope in stopping him from divorce, King Henry made himself the head of his own church who could make his own rules! Roman Catholicism had begun to teach sprinkling for baptism as an alternate in the second and third century and made it a part of their religion. Because it’s acceptance became so common among the religious people of the 13th through the 16th century, sprinkling as a mode of baptism was never considered a problem, never thought of it as a deviation from the original “faith once delivered to the saints,” and therefore never came up as an issue! People today, who accept December the 25th as the birthday of Christ or Easter as a celebration of Christianity do the same thing. They accept these lies without question and when questioned, their anger arises! Ask anybody from the Roman Catholic Church about these two religious holy days and they will say you are a heathen if you don’t accept the Pope’s official birthday for the Christ!!
Religious freedom is what caused people to leave England. You had to follow the King of England or die. They actually went there so they could worship God the understanding they had in their hearts. Baptism by immersion was never one of those things. There was no denomination that broke off from the Roman Catholic Church in the 14th to the 17th century that ever gave immersion a thought. Nor was this the reason for the first 80 years of their existence, the Baptist Church practiced sprinkling for baptism. They left England running from the King. Religious freedom was more dear to them than life itself!! Reading the Scriptures was also new to them. They were just getting the Scriptures translated in their own language. The mode of baptism wasn’t even a consideration!! They felt baptism was an “outward sign of an inward grace.” Whether baptism was immersion, sprinkling, or pouring did not matter. To most of them it was not matter of faith, it was not a test of fellowship, nor was it ever something that was considered as relevant to one’s salvation. Baptist separated over who was to be baptized not by what mode!! Those who believed their infant baptism was acceptable to God were called Pedo-baptist while those who believed they had to be re-baptize as adults were called Ana-baptist. It was not until 1680 that the Baptist Church took a stand on Immersion as being the only mode of baptism. This had begun to be discussed around 1640 or 50. Immersion as an action of baptism became the accepted mode without a split!! They were considered a radical movement of Protestant Reformation and like the Mennonites and Quakers, they taught that the converts had to be submitted to a second baptism, which was a crime punishable by death under the legal codes of the time. They repudiated their own baptism as infants as a blasphemous formality. Following the Swiss reformer Huldrych Zwingli, they held infants were not punishable for sin. They followed the Schleitheim Confession of 1527 practiced by a former priest Menno Simons who started the Mennonite church.

Legalism vs Liberalism Part 13

The Army of God fights “the good fight of faith to lay hold of eternal life.” 1 Timothy 6:12 When one “lays hold” of something, we take possession of, attain; rescue from peril, succor, it becomes our most pressing thing to which we aspire, our only goal in life. Whatever we had when we came into this world, we challenge nothing as a debt to anything that is due us, for naked came we into the world and naked we shall return. Everything we have had since, we are obliged to the providence of God for it; but He that gave may take what and when He pleases. We have had our beings, our bodies, our lives provided us, care taken of us, having been fed with food convenient to us; therefore let us trust in God for the remaining part of our lives. A shroud, a coffin, and a grave: these are all that the richest man in the world can have from his millions of dollars, we should not covet these, for they are not much when compared to that realm for which we reach! All these, we must leave behind. What we will not leave behind is what we have sown. Because God gives us the necessary supports of life, we ought to be content therewith, though we have not the ornaments and delights we have gained, but as the Psalmist cries out; “Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me.” Psalms 30:8
Those who set their hearts on the wealth of this world, who care not for right or wrong, will “fall into temptation and a snare.” 1 Timothy 6:9 That for which they have spent all their time sowing, none will reap from them the benefit we yearn, eternal life. If we do not understand our place and position in this world as the ambassadors of another world to come, we will make this mischievous world the final goal for all our living. These things “drown men in destruction and perdition,” they are worthless when the exchange comes; for all we have, we will present to the Trader-at-the-gate in hopes to receive what He has for we have used what time He has given us to purchase that life, that life called, the eternal!!
Every plant has a root. The root is the foundation of and on which our life stands. The root of evil, apostasy, cowardice, and fear will never be good trading material. When we have a chance to STAND, we had better show which Army we represent. Many who have money, hate it, for it proves itself not to be an even medium of exchange even while here on this earth. But we, who are members of the great Army of the King, conduct ourselves according to the picture of the goal we have in our heart. From the root comes the stalk, from the stalk comes the fruit and every plant is determined worthy of joy or destruction by what fruit it bears. How many days do we live wondering if the air we have been given was used for the goal of our lives?
Whether we attain or loose, we will fight. Those who will get to heaven must fight under the right Commander. In this Army we will fight corruption, temptation, illicit pleasures. If we unfortunately join the other army, we will fight; so we chose the Army of God and Stand for His cause for all our lives we will fight!! The powers of darkness, the pleasures of sin and illegal sex, the vice of ill-gotten wealth will never come easy, so, if we must show your might and fight, why not fight for the RIGHT!!
We must “lay hold”! “Hold fast that which you have, that no man take your crown.” Revelation 3:11 Make sure you do not lose your grip!! Some slacken their grip for things they will never be able to trade in on or for eternal life (be it a wife, a missed service opportunity, forfeited example, or a squandered investment in this world and its pleasures). We must make sure we do not give up so much we cannot gain!! To gain a little peace in this world and lose peace with Christ in that one to come is poor trading!! Ours is a good fight, it is for a good cause, and it will gain for us a crown of righteousness. The other fight is not good, honorable, nor gainful. The crown IS eternal life. It can slide out of your grip!!

Who are these people called Baptist?

We begin this study was no fear or in-trepidation!! Of all the denominations that exist, she has been the most vocal in her insistence of error for the past 500 years! It is our usual approach in our studies to go to the Bible for a book chapter and verse or a thus saith the Lord to find anything on what is supposed to be a biblical subject. I confess to you readily at this time, that I have not been able to find anything in the Bible that mentions the Baptist Church, tells where it started, who started it, the reason our purpose of it starting, or the particular doctrines that she teaches! Having only existed for 500 to 600 years, the people of religion for the first 1600 years knew nothing about such a religious group by name or doctrine. There were glimpses of pre-doctrine some 400 years before she became a religious movement, but the existence of its teachings cannot or have not been found before the 13th century A.D.. Quotations from Baptist historians, claiming themselves to be Baptist, support rather than refute the fact that they just have not existed 1000 years yet!!
To quote from a book written by a gentleman named Benedict called History of the Baptist page 304, states the first regular organized Baptist Church of which we possess any account, is dated from 1607, and was formed in London by a Mr. Smythe, who had been a clergyman in the Church of England. Interestingly, Mr. Smythe was self-baptized. In a book called History of the Baptist, written by a man by the name of Veeder, we read,” sometime about March, 1639, Roger Williams baptized Ezekiel Holloman, who had been a member of his church at Salem: and, Holloman baptized Williams. 11 others obeyed their Lord in this way, and the first Baptist Church in America was formed. This occurred in Providence, Rhode Island. Mr. Veeder informs us that the first official use of the name is in the Baptist catechism issued by the authority of their assembly. There had been no churches before, and hence there was no need of the name. The history of the Baptist churches cannot be carried by the scientific method, farther back than the years 1611, when the first Baptist Church, consisting wholly of Englishmen, was founded in Amsterdam by John Smith. Another author, Mr. Lofton, wrote: The English Baptist Reformation, list eight kinds of Baptist churches that existed in the first 50 years, beginning with 1603. A man by the name of Whittset who wrote a book entitled: A question in Baptist History writes; “immersion was first introduced into England in 1641, and it is a monument of the recent change from sprinkling to immersion.” That the name Baptist first came into use shortly after 1641, is another evidence of the fact in question…. Henceforth they were called baptized Christians, and in due time, Baptist. The earliest instance in which this name occurs as a denominational designation, so far as my information goes, befell in the year to 1644, three years after immersion had been introduced.” According to history the Baptist came from groups who were called Mennonites, who were originally called Waldenses. What were the Waldenses? They were a movement of the religious cultural group which appeared first in Lyon, France and spread to the Alps. They were begun by Peter Waldo, declared to be heretical by the Roman Catholic Church in 1215. On the rise of the Protestant Reformation, church leaders met with Swiss and German Calvinist and agreed to join with the Reformed Church, adopting the Calvinist tenets and becoming its Italian arm as their confession of faith still tells us. Their claim to fame was denying the supremacy of Rome. Interestingly, they kept the Sabbath day- this was later dropped when they joined the larger group. In 1487 Pope Innocent the VIII, issued a bull for the extermination of the Waldenses. The massacre that ensued was so brutal that Oliver Cromwell, then ruler in England, defended them. John Milton’s famous poem, On the late massacre in Piedmont verify their existence. Those who survived came to America on three chartered ships and settled in the Delaware area. There they were championed by their greatest preacher Roger Williams.